EG: When your assistant - Mr. Card, is that right? - when he told you that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center and that we were under attack, how did you feel?

GWB: Well, like I told the 9/11 commission, I wanted to show calmness.

EG: Yes, yes. I know. But if we are going to help you here, we need to explore your feelings. You wanted to show calmness, but deep down, if you can dig deep down, how did you feel?

GWB: (Nervous laugh) This is just between us?

EG: What's said here will never go outside this room. Never.

GWB: Uhmm-- Well-- This bizarre thought flashed past, that if I'd gotten a few less votes in Florida, Al Gore would have been sitting that the chair in front of those children. Well, you know, he wouldn't be sitting in that room and those children.

EG: You wished you could run away? That's interesting.

GWB: Wouldn't you say that's bizarre? To think that?

EG: How did you feel at that moment?

GWB: Nothing outside this room?

EG: Nothing. Ever.

GWB: I suddenly remembered how my mother wouldn't pick me up when I was a baby-- when I was crying. Isn't it odd to think like that, at that moment?

EG: That's interesting.

GWB: She'd put me under the rose bushes. In the bassinet. She'd tell the maid not to pick me up, to let me cry.

EG: How do you feel about it? About it now?

GWB: Why wouldn't she pick me up?

EG: That's interesting. Tell me more.

GWB: I knew I should jump up and take some action. We were under attack. But these strange thoughts kept pushing everything else aside.

EG: That's interesting.

GWB: I hate being compared to my father. I'm not my father.

EG: How do you feel about that?

GWB: My father was never governor. I didn't get compared to him when I was governor. It's awful how I'm constantly compared to my father now.

EG: That's interesting. Tell me more.

GWB: If Al Gore had actually invented the Internet, really invented the Internet, then he would have been sitting in that room with those children.

EG: Do you think there's a connection between your mother and Al Gore?

GWB: My mother picked up Jeb. She picked him up a lot.

EG: That's interesting.

GWB: I asked her once if my father told her not to pick me up.

EG: How do you feel about that?

GWB: She wouldn't answer me! She wouldn't say!

EG: Do you assume he told her not to?

GWB: He invited me to go parachute jumping with him on his birthday. Said we'd make presidential history.

EG: That's interesting. Do you feel you have to compete with your father for your mother's attention?

GWB: My mother picked up Neal, too. Carted him all over the place. My father , too.

EG: Your mother picked up your father?

GWB: No. My father picked up Neal. They competed to see who could pick up Neal the most.

EG: That's interesting. How do you feel about it?

GWB: Sitting with those children, that's what kept popping into my mind. Again and again.

EG: What was that?

GWB: What would my mother do if she were in that room, in my place? Would she jump up and take action? Or would she sit there some more? Can you tell me that? What would my mother have done in my place?

EG: I'm sorry. Our time is up. Hold on to that thought and we'll explore it next time.